DPS Tables - Massive Update in Progress

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The purpose of these posts is to rank cards based on their DPS. It will be separated into the following categories : Melee, Archers, Mages. The subcategories in those 4 are as follows : Land, Sea, Air, Total Stats. The post after does a comparison across all 3 unit types in the Land, Sea, Air, and Total Stats Category.

All figures assume the unit is level 120 for 6 star units and 140 for 7 star units.
All rankings are done based on DPS (Damage per second).
All figures do NOT take % boosts or Speed Demon into consideration.
7 Star units will be denoted by _____ to differentiate them from 6 Star units in the table.
Speed figures are accurate unless otherwise stated.

This is NOT a valuation guide and should not be used as one.

The final posts will be a post showing calculations, numbers, and raw data.

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Calculations and Data

The Formula Used is as Follows :

(ATK PWR / ATK SPD) = DPS Value

Attack Power = Land/Air/Sea/Total Stats
Attack Speed = Attack Speed Value of Unit (See Table Below)
DPS = Values used to rank units

Attack Speed Value Table

Melee	Atk Spd (s)	Archers	Atk Spd (s)	Mages	Atk Spd (s)
Charles	0.8	Abel	1.5 *	Dorothea	1.25
Reinhard	1.0	Alexander	2.1 *	Monica	1.08
Vlad	1.6	Anastasia	1.3	Petra	1.25
Agrippina	1.2	Nina	1.1	Gloria	1.29 *
Cecilia	1.2	Minerva	1.0	Succubus	1.15
Georgios	1.425	Oktavia	1.1	Faith	1.6
Ellen	1.2	Saki	1.25	Beatrix	1.6
Belethi	1.35	Reve	1.5	Cornelia	1.6
Diana	0.9	Vampiress	1.1	Nine Tails	1.1 *
Marybell	1.0	Seth	1.5 *	Vine	1.2
Paris	1.1	Dana	1.1	H.Monica	1.08
Lu Bu	1.4	Hippolyte	1.5^	Ethelred	1.22 *
Fenrir	1.05	C.Debbie	2.4^	C.Rouge	1.6 *
Aragon	0.9	Zhao Yun	2.1^	C.Reamy	1.1
Grey	1.1	Nanaca	1.1	C.Francois	1.1
Alvida	1.1	Tania	1.7 *	Loki	1.2
Manfred	1.2	Matahari	1.1	Tina	1.45
Eurydike	1.25	V.Diana	1.1	Chiara	1.08
Isabelle	1.1	Clarissa	1.5	Isis	1.1
Aksana	1.1	Ombre	1.1	Cuniculus	1.08
Arcadia	1.25	Patear	-	Francois	1.15
Ridill	1.0	Myordia	-	Dolce	1.1
Amure	1.2	-	-	Adamas	1.1
Borage	0.9	-	-	Lys	1.15
Bajardo	1.35	-	-	Claudette	1.0
Delfina	1.3	-	-	Majoram	1.15
Minotaur	1.2	-	-	Nunally	-
Chandelle	1.05*	-	-	Medicis	-
Valafar	1.05*	-	-	Harithi	1.1
Epicharis	1.15	-	-	Pregare	1.1
Sagrado	1.15*	-	-	Alsiel	1.1
Eluit	1.15	-	-	Morticia	1.1
Ludmila	1.2	-	-	Solar	-
-	-	-	-	Freyja	1.05
-	-	-	-	Magnus	0.9
-	-	-	-	Lilith	0.9
-	-	-	-	Everleaf	-
-	-	-	-	-	-

s = the seconds between a unit attacking. For archers and mages, missile delay is also included in the calculations.

^ Multi-attack unit. I based the attack speed from the first hit to the next time she fired and it's first hit. It's a bit difficult to parse the speed unfortunately so this is a best guess estimate due to mechanics.

* To be updated

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Calculations and Data II

*Note : All numbers have been rounded to whole numbers for ease of reading. Once again, all stats used in calculation are from UNMODIFIED stats based on the japanese wiki's numbers for level 120 units.

Melee DPS Value Table

Name	Land	Air	Sea	Total Stats
Charles	61788	28413	55113	145313
Reinhard	72725	26630	39840	139195
Vlad	82453	22750	30016	135219
Agrippina	77117	19542	77117	173775
Cecilia	68992	47092	61833	177917
Georgios	76589	69723	55842	202154
Ellen	71729	66254	41588	179571
Belethi	73519	31815	37019	142352
Diana	77078	63239	47956	188272
Marybell	76063	49713	53155	178931
Paris	66177	60205	54264	180645
Lu Bu	68571	56714	35521	160807
Fenrir	72624	53686	72590	198900
Aragon	73467	51489	51489	176444
Grey	75264	78235	57345	210844
Alvida	63255	51309	72182	186745
Manfred	74467	63488	44383	182338
Eurydike	71516	58900	66288	198864
Isabelle	63318	48323	63318	174959
Aksana	78282	45527	72341	196150
Arcadia	74116	58264	47920	180300
Ridill	72970	66330	62975	202275
Amure	63575	55333	49800	170375
Borage	69861	51528	62556	183944
Bajardo	73519	24593	68652	166704
Delfina	68792	63738	51185	183715
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Archers DPS Value Table

Name	Land	Air	Sea	Total Stats
Abel	56493	43527	38533	138553
Alexander	31619	25345	29109	86074
Anastasia	71010	55862	45734	172625
Nina	60459	72341	58000	190800
Minerva	62430	58390	61060	181880
Oktavia	60364	81236	72277	213877
Saki	66232	60976	45264	172472
Reve	53003	53003	35483	141490
Vampiress	66368	78250	54455	199073
Seth	50813	59573	33317	143703
Dana	63271	72262	69227	204760
Hippolyte	50790	55193	53003	158987
C.Debbie	38617	33127	26236	97983
Zhao Yun	43514	22083	39419	105017
Nanaca	72373	57314	66336	196023
Tania	48700	44835	46767	140303
Matahari	57505	63477	53336	174318
V.Diana	78186	66305	57314	201805
Clarissa	46363	52980	57383	156727
-	-	-	-	-
-	-	-	-	-
-	-	-	-	-
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Mages DPS Value Table

Name	Land	Air	Sea	Total Stats
Dorothea	60470	56268	53134	169873
Monica	83343	59139	95509	237991
Petra	68860	43368	68860	181088
Gloria	66725	43085	41260	151070
Succubus	69165	65683	49750	184598
Faith	45628	24175	43081	112884
Beatrix	36581	28656	31957	96722
Cornelia	62031	16797	26656	105484
Nine Tails	78218	54391	72245	204855
Vine	66313	71758	47165	185236
H.Monica	70639	43329	82773	196741
Ethelred	65168	65168	59783	190119
C.Rouge	55850	29994	24175	110019
C.Reamy	63350	75295	69323	207968
C.Francois	57314	75264	81236	213814
Loki	68992	68992	68992	206975
Tina	44897	42669	48083	135586
Chiara	70574	79731	56634	206940
Isis	59135	63350	69323	195443
Cuniculus	67468	58343	73551	199361
Francois	77643	46343	80500	204487
Dolce	69323	66305	54423	190050
Adamas	84191	69291	60364	213845
Lys	66309	74878	55478	196665
Claudette	72935	79470	63080	215485
Majoram	74817	60565	66278	201661
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Miscellaneous

Miscellaneous Findings (Things to note if you are attempting to reproduce my results)

For purposes of testing/timing scaling, I use melee units' data as the baseline 'time scale' for all other units. What this means is, if a unit has a * next to it's attack speed, then it attacked slower/faster slightly than similar speed melee units which necessitated a time estimate due to human reaction speed. The reason for this is all melee have a consistent attack range and an effective missile speed of zero with no variance. Unlike mages and archers who have vastly different attack ranges and missile speeds.

A larger range does not change the travel / missile time of mage / archer attacks. The missile will speed up OR slow down in order to hit the unit at the same attack speed irregardless if the unit is next to the unit OR at max range. What this means is you will get a consistent attack speed times no matter how far or close the unit is from the enemy unit.

The two exceptions to this rule currently are Seth and Abel. Alexander may also fall under this exception but I have not tested it. In the case of Seth and Abel, the spear missile DOES NOT increase it's travel speed in order to hit the unit at a consistent attack speed. In Seth and Abel's case, the ATK SPD is found using an average of all attacks against D speed units. When testing Abel and Seth, you WILL get different attack speeds depending how close/far the unit is from Abel and Seth.

The points used in the attack speed calculation are the points of impact. As soon as the number pops up during an attack, the first point is noted. When it comes up again, the second point is noted, etc. The attack speed is then estimated based off a stop watch and the average of the times between the two points.

There are a few units of note who seem to have similar attack speeds to other units, but after a long period of time (8-10 attacks+) show greater than normal attack speeds compared to similar attack speed units. This could be due to a variety of reasons such as animation speed, missile speed, or they are just plain faster by a hundredth of a second. Gloria, Monica and H.Monica show this trait. I've estimated their attack speeds to the best of my abilities but it's not exact and thus there is some margin of error for these units.

All mages seem to use up to the hundredths of a second as their attack speed. This is contrary to melee and archers who only go into the tenths (Abel and Seth are the exception to this rule, see earlier point). Due to this, I am not 100% certain on my mage attack speed findings. However I am confident to reasonable degree of those without * next to their attack speed values that the values presented are the correct ones.

An overheated phone or a phone constantly getting messages WILL throw off your attack speed times. The data was gathered on an iPhone 5 with no video accelerators, applications turned on at the same time, or other programs running in the background eating up CPU.

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Miscellaneous II

I'd like to thank my allies and various others who either equipped certain cards I was missing or lent them to me for testing purposes.

This list wouldn't have been possible without your assistance!

Subject: Re: DPS Tables - Massive Update in Progress Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:38 pm

BkWiz wrote:: Melee DPS

Land : Vlad | Agrippina | Diana | Georgios | Reinhard | Ellen | Cecilia | Belethi | Charles

Air : Georgios | Ellen | Diana | Cecilia | Belethi | Charles | Reinhard | Vlad | Agrippina

Sea : Agrippina | Cecilia | Charles | Georgios | Diana | Ellen | Reinhard | Belethi | Vlad

Total Stats : Georgios | Diana | Ellen | Cecilia | Agrippa | Charles | Reinhard | Vlad | Belethi

Just curious, is the order that they are typed in, the order in rank from most to least damage?

And I'm guessing in your "Calculations" reserved post will not show the calculations, but the final damage per second?

Subject: Re: DPS Tables - Massive Update in Progress Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:39 pm

Either way, can't wait for all the final numbers :-)

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pnoytroi wrote:

BkWiz wrote:: Melee DPS

Land : Vlad | Agrippina | Diana | Georgios | Reinhard | Ellen | Cecilia | Belethi | Charles

Air : Georgios | Ellen | Diana | Cecilia | Belethi | Charles | Reinhard | Vlad | Agrippina

Sea : Agrippina | Cecilia | Charles | Georgios | Diana | Ellen | Reinhard | Belethi | Vlad

Total Stats : Georgios | Diana | Ellen | Cecilia | Agrippa | Charles | Reinhard | Vlad | Belethi

Just curious, is the order that they are typed in, the order in rank from most to least damage?

And I'm guessing in your "Calculations" reserved post will not show the calculations, but the final damage per second?

Good point, I forgot to point that out, adding that in!

The Calculations will be shown at the end. I'll post the formula I used and a list of the values I used.

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This is awesome. I almost didn't think so because of the lack of abilities factored in, but then I was reminded that boss fights don't utilize abilities, so this is actually a pretty impressive piece of work. d(^-^)b

Subject: Re: DPS Tables - Massive Update in Progress Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:54 am

BkWiz wrote:

Calculations and Data

Formula Used is as Follows :

(ATK PWR / ATK SPD) = DPS

Attack Power = Land/Air/Sea/Total Stats
Attack Speed = Attack Speed Value of Unit (See Table Below)
DPS = Value used to rank units

Attack Speed Value Table

Melee	Atk Spd	Archers	Atk Spd	Mages	Atk Spd
Charles	0.8	Abel	-	Dorothea	1.3
Reinhard	1.0	Alexander	-	Monica	1.08*
Vlad	1.6	Anastasia	1.4	Petra	-
Agrippina	1.2	Nina	1.1	Gloria	1.29*
Cecilia	1.2	Minerva	1.0	Succubus	-
Georgios	1.45	Oktavia	1.1	Faith	-
Ellen	1.2	Saki	1.3	Beatrix	1.6
Belethi	1.5	Vampiress	1.1	Cornelia	-
Diana	0.9*	Seth	-	Nine Tails	-
				Vine	1.2
				H.Monica	1.08*

Did you forget Reve? Haha. People don't seem to like her. Who doesn't like Lady Gaga? Haha

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pnoytroi wrote:

BkWiz wrote:

Calculations and Data

Formula Used is as Follows :

(ATK PWR / ATK SPD) = DPS

Attack Power = Land/Air/Sea/Total Stats
Attack Speed = Attack Speed Value of Unit (See Table Below)
DPS = Value used to rank units

Attack Speed Value Table

Melee	Atk Spd	Archers	Atk Spd	Mages	Atk Spd
Charles	0.8	Abel	-	Dorothea	1.3
Reinhard	1.0	Alexander	-	Monica	1.08*
Vlad	1.6	Anastasia	1.4	Petra	-
Agrippina	1.2	Nina	1.1	Gloria	1.29*
Cecilia	1.2	Minerva	1.0	Succubus	-
Georgios	1.45	Oktavia	1.1	Faith	-
Ellen	1.2	Saki	1.3	Beatrix	1.6
Belethi	1.5	Vampiress	1.1	Cornelia	-
Diana	0.9*	Seth	-	Nine Tails	-
				Vine	1.2
				H.Monica	1.08*

Did you forget Reve? Haha. People don't seem to like her. Who doesn't like Lady Gaga? Haha

Added. Forgot to put her in.

Subject: Re: DPS Tables - Massive Update in Progress Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:35 pm

LOL. Cool cool. Can't wait for the calculations part.

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Getting there. Putting it into a nice little table is 30 mins work...Especially since I have to do four separate tables for it.

Such a pain. Will have that part done later today.

On the plus side the formula and values used are already posted. Not going to post the 120 stats since that's easy to find and too much work to retype them all AND put them in an easy to read table...

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utinni77 wrote:: This is awesome. I almost didn't think so because of the lack of abilities factored in, but then I was reminded that boss fights don't utilize abilities, so this is actually a pretty impressive piece of work. d(^-^)b

The meat of these posts is to keep it as objective as possible. With as little to no subjectivity as possible. IE pure numbers.

Hence it's almost 100% guaranteed that AE units will be dead last. But I probably will add an addendum to AE units and poison units specifically in my misc portion once the rest is done.

My personal feelings on AE units and their place in the scheme of things.

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You test the attack speed. Great!

Subject: Re: DPS Tables - Massive Update in Progress Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:59 pm

So this is why you were looking for Belethi?? (yeah I Fanta stalk you) I knew that you had to have known his stats and assumed you could easily find an ally to album him, so your reasons for trying to obtain him had been stumping me for some time now.

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predator852 wrote:: So this is why you were looking for Belethi?? (yeah I Fanta stalk you) I knew that you had to have known his stats and assumed you could easily find an ally to album him, so your reasons for trying to obtain him had been stumping me for some time now.

I do everything for a reason. Smile

Confounding people on my motivation and thoughts is a fun past time Razz

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First off, thanks for all of the DPS measurements, they are really useful.

I like the idea of not comparing abilities... other than AoE and Poison they don't technically affect DPS (and those only apply it in specific situations). Looking at pure DPS is a pretty good metric.

When building a team, you need to take abilities into account, but typically include a mix of them. For example, one poison unit, a couple knockbacks, a couple slows, and maybe an AoE depending on the situation. I feel like saying that X unit is better than Y because it has this ability and not that one is misleading and very subjective and is like comparing apples to oranges (AoE sticks out here).

I feel like if we are going to look at more than pure damage, we should group the tiers by ability. We can come up with top tier KB, Slow, AoE, and Poison units and then everyone can decide for themselves which ones they want. Vampiress is the top tier Poison unit right now (waiting for Hippolyte to supplant her) even though Oktavia, Nina, and Minerva attack faster and have an ability that people seem to value more so she is probably not considered a top tier ranged unit.

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Also, goddamn... I can't believe that Nina is as fast as the Vampiress.

I just ran them both in 24-6 as a non-leader unit and can confirm that they are not discernibly different. Petra is also slower than Nine-Tails but I don't have a number. Most likely 0.1s slower.

Do you have a link to the Chinese website that has delay ratings? I can't seem to find a link anywhere.

Thanks again!

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dakkon107 wrote:: First off, thanks for all of the DPS measurements, they are really useful.

I like the idea of not comparing abilities... other than AoE and Poison they don't technically affect DPS (and those only apply it in specific situations). Looking at pure DPS is a pretty good metric.

When building a team, you need to take abilities into account, but typically include a mix of them. For example, one poison unit, a couple knockbacks, a couple slows, and maybe an AoE depending on the situation. I feel like saying that X unit is better than Y because it has this ability and not that one is misleading and very subjective and is like comparing apples to oranges (AoE sticks out here).

I feel like if we are going to look at more than pure damage, we should group the tiers by ability. We can come up with top tier KB, Slow, AoE, and Poison units and then everyone can decide for themselves which ones they want. Vampiress is the top tier Poison unit right now (waiting for Hippolyte to supplant her) even though Oktavia, Nina, and Minerva attack faster and have an ability that people seem to value more so she is probably not considered a top tier ranged unit.

It's funny you mention that. I was debating on making a table that does exactly that.

But if I did it goes dangerously close into being more subjective than objective which would detract from the thread as a whole since I'm trying to be as objective as possible.

Maybe I'll add it as a misc or make a whole new thread for it, I am not yet sure since it takes a LOT of work to put all of my thoughts on units onto the forums.

Also depending on how poison works, I have not studied it in depth yet, either Agrippa or Diana would be top tier poison unit in game atm. Not vampiress.

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Yeah, poison depends. There is talk that being able to apply poison from farther away enhances it's value. If you can KB/Slow lock a unit so the melees are hitting no matter what, then maybe, Agrippa and Diana are better. I wouldn't use more than one poison unit anyway.

As far as overall DPS goes, I see Vamp and H.Monica being the best, but when you look just at ground attack, I see Agrippa, Diana, H.Monica, and Cecilia being better. I am just assuming that you just take the the stat and divide by the attacks per second value to get DPS. This method doesn't weigh ground any higher than sea, which seems to be what you are going for correct?

I don't think that it is as much subjective as situational, as in what scenarios can you lock.

I just made a spreadsheet that can compare all of this stuff, but want to integrate Strussdell's list to see how everything compares. My idea thus far is to allow us to quickly compare units for different uses. It will allow one to prepare for battles objectively. For example, to fight Hippolyte in the next event, filter for melee units based on ground DPS and you can see that Vlad, Agrip, and Diana are the best.

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